There's a great big unfortunate essay in me about the conversation in this podcast, but I don't think I have the energy to dig it out at the moment. And besides, Scott Adams--creator of the soulless Dilbert comic strip and who appears to lack anything resembling an ethics beyond that of your garden-variety "Pick-Up Artist" creep--seems hardly worth the trouble.
The utterly amoral nihilism apparently required to construct and fortify a (thoroughly unconvincing!) apologetics for Trump and Trumpism is certainly instructive, though. And Adams delivers on the amoral nihilism front aplenty!
Worth a listen! Prepare to be nauseated and sorta creeped out.
https://samharris.org/podcasts/triggered/